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I just posted this entry in the community [livejournal.com profile] linguaphiles but I thought I put it into here as well, as I know you all love a good discussion once in a while and maybe we all learn something new by it! If you want to check the replies in the comm, the entry is here: http://linguaphiles.livejournal.com/5988669.html

Hi, I'm from Germany and I am wondering about something that I repeatedly encounter recently in the British TV series "Call the midwife" (which is set in London in the 1950s if that is important).

I am pharaphrasing here, but there are often sentences spoken by the nurses and sisters which go like "I'll call doctor and he'll check whether baby is okay."

For me this sounds odd, as I would say "I call THE doctor so he can make sure YOUR baby is okay." Why are there no noun markers with those two specific words? Are there other words like that? You would not do this with "girl" or "boy" would you?

And on a side note, I also find it a bit odd that in the English language men for example apparently refer to their wife as just "the wife" and not proudly "my wife" as it is in Germany. It seems a bit impersonal. Do they also say "the boy" instead of "my boy"?

I am always trying to improve my English so I am musing about these things and why there is this difference. Many thanks for your help!

Date: 2014-02-13 05:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sallycandance.livejournal.com
It may seem odd to you, but it is quite common and not incorrect, albeit on the slang side; a spoken language thing rather than proper, written, grammatically flawless language.

It's just a variation, people might just as well say 'the' doctor or 'my' wife. It's simply a way of putting it, neither wrong nor right nor weird.

'The doctor' is more impersonal than simply 'doctor', because in the latter case 'doctor' replaces the name, suggesting that everybody present knows him/her and knows who is being fetched. However, it's a form less likely to be used by people who are aware of their grammar and their appearance (unless they want to create an air of intimacy and familiarity, as, for instance, in a hospital, as a means to help people stay calm).

The kids frequently refer to me as 'teacher', rather than 'the teacher', as in "Go ask Teacher" or "Teacher said...", and when everybody present knows whose family is being discussed, we may say "I've spoken with Mom" rather than "I've spoken with his/her mom"

(Remember the song 'be prepared' from Disney's "Lion King"? Scar sings 'just listen to teacher')

Edit: The same goes for 'the wife' vs 'my wife'. The former implies familiarity (even when talking to a stranger), plus: everybody knows you're going to go home to your wife and not someone else's; so, technically, 'my wife' is redundant (in most cases).

Edited Date: 2014-02-13 05:38 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-02-13 06:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Yes, in the series there is only one doctor which I think was just done for simplicissity. I would find it easier if they had added the name then, like "Doctor Warner".

Have a look at my other post, I had a teacher reply there as well and that she uses "Mom" and "Dad" to make it easier and also not always the parents share the same name as the kids. Makes sense!

In "Glee" they shorten the names of the teachers though. Instead of "Mr. Shuster" they say "Mr. Shu" in endearment. You are the only teacher to you class, right? Teaching all subjects?

I'm afraid I never watched "Lion King"... I don't like the new computer movies, I preferred more the old drawing style.

everybody knows you're going to go home to your wife and not someone else's; so, technically, 'my wife' is redundant (in most cases).

That's true in English but as you know in German both would be "Frau" and then you need to distinguish.

Date: 2014-02-13 07:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sallycandance.livejournal.com
Sometimes my kids call me by the initial of my last name, but not usually. They know my name, they can pronounce it, it's not too much to ask of them to use it properly. Coming from student to a teacher it walks a fine line between disrespect and endearment (in return I wouldn't call my students by the short versions of their names either). But I suppose everybody is different and some teachers don't care about it that much.

I teach all subjects except for languages other than English, woodwork, handwork, Eurythmy, orchestra/recorder, and movement/P.E. (although this year I teach movement, too).

But, if you think about it, in German the term 'Frau' is short for 'Ehefrau'. So if Germans were accustomed to using the terms Ehefrau/Ehemann rather than Frau/Mann, then perhaps our language would have developed towards omitting the 'my' as well. Something to ponder, isn't it? My dad uses phrases like 'Die Gattin ruft', in which case he doesn't need to add 'my' as that would be redundant.

Date: 2014-02-14 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] keyjahn.livejournal.com
dear, you never watched "König der Löwen"? It was not really that much computer animated, mostly drawn...

Date: 2014-02-14 07:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Yeah, but drawn in a way that it does not look realistic... don't know how to describe it. All those thousand animals running around, and all those round curves... it just did not look good in my eyes.

I'm from Eastern Germany, the first Disney movie I ever saw was "Arielle" on video and then we went to the cinema for "Beauty and the Beast" (and yes, I know they used computer there as well but it was way more subtle) and also some of the old ones like "Jungle Book".

And I also never watched all the real computer movies, like "Toy story" or "Ice Age". The only exception was "Shrek" which I loved.

Date: 2014-02-13 05:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tardisjournal.livejournal.com
Yay! A language discussion. I always learn so much from these. :)

"I'll call doctor and he'll check whether baby is okay"--that does sound odd! It's certainly not a construction we'd use in modern-day America. Maybe it's a particular feature of that time period, or reflects the social class of the person speaking? Perhaps our UK friends might have more insight.

That being said, sometimes people here in modern-day US of A DO use "baby" without the article. It's supposed to be cutesy, I think, but it comes off as cloying to me. It's often found in advertising, as in, "While you're shopping our store, don't forget to visit our children's department to pick up a special gift for baby!" Ugh.

I've heard "the wife" used like you describe, and depending on how it's used, it can be used to to convey affection, exasperation, or just as a descriptor. It could be that the person is being cold and impersonal, but not necessarily so. It depends on the context. Interestingly, referring to your child as "the boy" seems much colder, and I think would be less likely to pop up in casual conversation as "the wife".

Edited Date: 2014-02-13 05:45 pm (UTC)

Date: 2014-02-13 06:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
I knew you would like it ;) Click on the link I provided, some great and interesting answers there. Basically, Doctor and Baby are used as substitutes for names and therefore I shall spell them with big letters. And here I was trying not to, as not to be confused with The Doctor ;)

Apparently people like teachers also use it with just referring to "Mom" when talking to a child, or the kids just say "Teacher". It is a bit odd though. In "Glee" they say "Mr. Shu" as an endearment for "Mr. Shuster".

As for "the wife" most say that it's usually said in joke?

Date: 2014-02-13 05:55 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] gillo
"Baby" without an article is used a great deal by doctors, nurses and midwives to refer to the specific baby - or, rather, foetus - of the woman they are dealing with at the moment. It is effectively used as the name of the infant, so "Baby" would be more appropriate transcription than "baby". "Doctor" in the context works similarly, referring to the specific doctor in charge, almost as a proper name. It's something specific to that sort of situation rather than period or class - "mother" is sometimes used similarly (as in "Has mother complained of any pain, nurse?")

No idea why; it's just the way they work.

"The wife" is definitely more informal usage, suitable for more colloquial settings, and often used slightly ironically these days. Only a very newly-wed man would draw attention to the fact by saying "my wife" proudly!

Date: 2014-02-22 07:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Thank you! It was quite an interesting conversation and I got lots of replies over in the community. It seems indeed only be used in the health sector though, and some also said they still hear it nowadays in some areas.

I certainly learnt a lot.

I stumbled first about "the wife" in an action figure forum where someone said that she should rather not find out how much money he spends on his figures. Maybe it was said in jest but if not it makes me rather sad, that he can't share what apparently is important for him. Naturally, everyone there assumed I was a boy as well ;)

Date: 2014-02-13 06:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp2799.livejournal.com
I've watched British shows where they would saying "He just came back from hospital." In the US, that definitely would be "He just came back from THE hospital," so this is a different type of English based on country.

I once had to proofread an article that was Canadian English and I almost went crazy because they use almost all US English but not always and I had to work out the spelling that was not American.

Date: 2014-02-14 03:07 am (UTC)
fueschgast: Darcy watching a CRT TV that shows Pietro at Wanda's door. (Default)
From: [personal profile] fueschgast
Ah, I've wondered about that for ages, thanks for the info!

Date: 2014-02-14 04:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp2799.livejournal.com
You're very welcome!

Date: 2014-02-22 07:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Yes, I think I heard the hospital thing as well somewhere before. It's really interesting talking about all this! I got quite a response over at the community I asked, overall they said that it was used a long time ago, nowadays not so anymore, and mainly in the health business, for people who are or feel superior to others. Like nurses and patients.

Oi, that sounds difficult. I guess my posts are all over the place with BE and AE as well. I used to speak AE, since I learnt it all with "Stargate", but now that I also watch British shows and have become a John Barrowman fan, I adopt a lot of words he often uses... like "snogging", when I used that on Gateworld once everyone laughed at me and I did not know why ;) I mean, yes, I know the differencies between trousers and pants and cinema and movie theatre, but there is so much more outside.

But as long as we all understand each other! It's not my fault the languages have seperated so much. I'll be careful to not mix up rubber and eraser ;)

Date: 2014-02-22 07:48 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sharp2799.livejournal.com
Or "drawers!" An American man who writes a lot of books on dejunking/decluttering, went to the UK and asked people, "Can I look into your drawers?" and almost caused a riot because in the US it means a part of furniture and there it meant underwear! LOL

Date: 2014-02-22 07:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Haha I did not know about this other meaning of drawers! I'll file it away for later usage.

Do you know that suspenders are something entirely different in the UK? Apparently there once was a discussion about Captain Jack Harkness and a lot of confusion, because the Americans referred to his suspenders, which are in the UK called braces, while we all know what braces are in the US... the things teenagers wear in their mouths.

And suspenders in the UK are this: http://www.orchidfashionboutique.co.uk/144-374-productlist/gossard-superboost-lace-suspender-rouge.jpg

Now imagine Captain Jack with that ;) Although, as far as we know him, he even might wear it.

Date: 2014-02-13 07:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
Regarding the shortening of teachers' names, my students called me Miss O. 1) because there are 12 letters and an apostrophe in my last name and Miss O. is less daunting and 2) because it is a term of endearment. I have no idea what the kids that didn't like me called me and I'm sure I don't want to know. :)

In the southern US, "the wife" is very informal or derogatory. That is especially so when referring to one's children as "the boy" or "the girl". In general, it is considered to be a bit rude. However, people will also substitute "Boy" or "Girl" for a proper name as a term of endearment.

I have only heard "Doctor" or "Teacher" used in British English. I grew up in the 1950's and that is definitely not something that was done in the US. It would have been considered extremely rude not to use a formal title and full last name - especially in the medical profession. Even the nurses went by "Nurse Jones". Respect used to be important in language. Alas, it is no more.

Fun, eh? ;)

Date: 2014-02-22 07:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
It's really interesting talking about all this! I got quite a response over at the community I asked, overall they said that it was used a long time ago, nowadays not so anymore, and mainly in the health business, for people who are or feel superior to others. Like nurses and patients.

Miss O. sounds rather cute!

I stumbled first about "the wife" in an action figure forum where someone said that she should rather not find out how much money he spends on his figures. Maybe it was said in jest but if not it makes me rather sad, that he can't share what apparently is important for him. Naturally, everyone there assumed I was a boy as well ;)

Date: 2014-02-22 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
Assuming that you are a boy is funny to me because the only people I know personally who collect action figures are all women. And, yes, not being able to share a hobby with a spouse is sad, but maybe they don't have much discretionary income and they really can't afford what he spends on himself. Maybe she is doing without her own interests or needs. I still think that "the wife" in America is used to distance someone from their spouse in an unkind way and perhaps that post on your forum proves it.

Great discussion!

Date: 2014-02-22 08:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Really! I would have not thought it. But yes, I assumed they all were women as well (just because on the internet in general seem to be more women, discussion all the ships in TV shows and writing fanfictions etc.).

I only got suspicious when they discussed wanting to build an army of Jaffa figures and wanted space-ships and doing fights, and when they commented on the size of the boobs of the Sam Carter figure ;)

I don't have any experience with relationships whatsoever, and can do what pleases me without asking anyone, but I think the key would be having a box with money each contributes to, which goes for the rent of the apartment or whatever else bill has to be paid, but everyone also should have an ammount for themselves, which they can spend as they want, without having to answer any quesstion. Like pocket money for children.
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Date: 2014-02-22 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
If you need a new series to watch, I can highly recommend "Call the midwife"! I totally love it. And you learn so much about life in East London during the 1950s. And the babies are so cute!

I got quite a response over in that community I asked, and many said that it was used back then but nowadays not so much anymore.
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Date: 2014-02-22 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Somehow, the third season does feel a bit different to me. It's still a good show, but I think they have used up all the stories from the original books now, and make up their own. So some things that happen are not "true" anymore and it feels a bit weird, making up stuff for people who really have lived. A lot more time is spent on the lifes and relationships of the midwives, at least it feels that way.

But I love them all to bits and everything, the setting and the clothes and all. It feels so "real", with the ordinary women looking like ordinary women. In American shows, everyone has to look like a model ;)
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Date: 2014-02-22 08:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
When my friend showed me the first "Doctor Who" episode some years ago, with Jackie running around in that pink... something, she commented that you would not see something like that in an US show. Also in "Torchwood", you can see a few overweight people, like that one secretary Jack flirts with. But who cares? It's what people look like! I think Hollywood needs to learn that.

And what I especially don't understand - how often do we read about an actress who has to eat herself fat for a certain role, and afterwards has to lose it all again. I don't think that is very healthy, and why not use an actress who already is the right size for the role? There must be some somewhere?

Date: 2014-02-13 08:59 pm (UTC)
jacquelee: (Santana huh?)
From: [personal profile] jacquelee
I'm not a native English speaker either, as you know, but this sentence without articles sounds very very odd to me. As any sentence without articles would. But I guess it is is British slang because it doesn't sound that odd, it just doesn't sound American.

But this whole thing totally reminded me of how oddly article use in Germany differs between Southern and Northern parts of the country. I moved from Hamburg to Stuttgart a year and a half ago and it was so odd to me that everyone would refer to other people as 'der Hans' or 'die Lisa' or whatever. Their use of articles is really very extensive. :D

As for addressing teachers, I worked in three different preschools in the last three years and in all of them I got addressed differently. In the first they said 'Frau Nachname' (according to the head teacher that was because they wanted the parents not to address the teachers by first name, which they apparently did when the children were calling them by their first names), in the second one they said just my first name and now it's the Polish equivalent of Frau and my first name. Or just Frau when they just want to ask something. Basically 'excuse me Miss', which was very odd for me at first because in Germany we would obviously only use 'entschuldigen Sie' when we want someone's attention, but I think in English it's more common.

Heee, language discussions are fun. :D

Date: 2014-02-22 07:00 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Don't know if you also read some of the answers in the community, but overall they said that it was used a long time ago, nowadays not so anymore, and mainly in the health business, for people who are or feel superior to others. Like nurses and patients.

And yeah, we say "der" and "die" with every name in Saxony as well ;)

Frau and first name does sound odd for me though! But yeah, language discussions and learning about other countries is always fun!

Date: 2014-02-14 12:05 am (UTC)
lolmac: (Knock Knock)
From: [personal profile] lolmac
The usage in the UK of "call Doctor and ask about Baby" is, as said, informal spoken English. This kind of usage was very common in the early 20th century, but has an old-fashioned feel to it now. In the US, it would be regarded as very cutesy, and probably annoying. So don't have any American characters say it, unless they're back in about 1920!

"The wife" versus "my wife": in the US, this is common amongst white men of an older generation. It was regarded as slightly sexist and patronizing starting in the 1970s and 80s, and is now extremely sexist. I don't think it has that connotation in the UK; the very popular blog "The Wife In Space" is definitely not condescending.

Another term older men will use for their wives is "the little woman". This is also sexist and patronizing, and really annoys any woman under the age of 60 or 70.

Date: 2014-02-22 06:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Thank you! Oh no, I did not plan to write anything, I just did wonder about it as I heard it so frequently. The thread in the community got quite a lot replies, and some said that they even hear it now in some places. Most said though that it was indeed a long time ago.

I stumbled first about "the wife" in an action figure forum where someone said that she should rather not find out how much money he spends on his figures. Maybe it was said in jest but if not it makes me rather sad, that he can't share what apparently is important for him. Naturally, everyone there assumed I was a boy as well ;)

And from the discussion I learnt the new term "her indoors" as well. Only to be used jokingly of course.

Is this what the movie title "Little women" actually means? I always thought it was because they were not full grown women yet.

Date: 2014-02-22 07:10 pm (UTC)
lolmac: (Nemesis)
From: [personal profile] lolmac
Um -- "Little Women" is a book published in 1868 and 1869. Every movie with that title is based on the book. I'm emphasising this because you have to look at the original publication context to understand the titling environment.

In 19th century America, the phrase "Little Women" (especially as used by a female author who was a model of female independence) emphasised the fact that, although most of the females in the book, although they are young girls, they are functioning more as small adults rather than as children. The book is essentially a coming-of-age story, and was intended as a children's book for a female audience.

The guy on the forum who's calling his wife "the wife" might be joking, but it's a joke that has a layer of automatic, unrecognised sexism to it. His wife might be posting on Ravelry about how she doesn't tell her husband how much she spends on her hobby -- but she would not be calling him "the husband" as if he were an object.

Date: 2014-02-22 07:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
I never read the book though, that's why I referred to the movie. It was just the first that came to mind when you said "Little woman". I had a time where I watched everything with Katerine Hepburn I could get my hands on, and so came about this, and I loved it. I just looked it up on IMDB and learnt that this is only the first book of a trilogy. Gotta learn something new every day!

I think, back in that time, children generally were little adults. If you look at the clothes etc. they wore. It was only in the 1950s or so when teenage culture did start, with own fashion and music etc. especially made for them.

yay, another digression

Date: 2014-02-22 07:51 pm (UTC)
lolmac: (Blessing)
From: [personal profile] lolmac
There's some debate as to when the modern concept of childhood started: it's definitely recent. Through most of history (and, it's assumed, pre-history), children were expected to start contributing to the functions of the household as soon as they were physically able to: in other words, as soon as they could walk and understand instructions. The exception, of course, was the children of the wealthy classes, as soon as wealthy classes came into existence.

Moreover, this wasn't regarded as a bad thing; if you've read, for example, the Little House books, they're full of the intense pride that children had at being contributing members -- acquiring skills and being given responsibilities.

I think the current historical theory is that childhood was just beginning to be regarded as a separate phase, something to be recognised and regarded with sentiment, in the 19th century. (Peter Pan is a good illustration of this.) The extension of effective childhood into the teens is even more recent -- as you say, the 50s and 60s in the US, at least partly because of the baby boom and the backlash against the pressure of WWII, which sent a hell of a lot of teenagers into battle. With that over, the new prosperity basically meant that everyone (well, everyone who was white and middle-class in the US) could have an extended childhood, comparatively free from responsibilities and expectations, of the sort formerly only available to the very wealthy.

Now it's been extended even farther: I swear the wealthy never grow up at all, and an appalling percentage of people in their twenties try not to do so, either! It puzzles me: I loved reaching adulthood. OTOH, I was raised in a family where I started being given simple chores by the time I was 7, and I was praised when I showed maturity and was rewarded with extra freedoms and respect each time I demonstrated my capacity to handle responsibility. Since I really liked being praised and rewarded, it worked very well for me!

Re: yay, another digression

Date: 2014-02-22 08:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
Very off topic, but I just noticed your icon and had a giggle. Brilliant! (Said by an American with British experience.)

Re: yay, another digression

Date: 2014-02-27 10:39 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Can you explain it to me by any chance? I don't seem to get the joke...

Re: yay, another digression

Date: 2014-02-27 11:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
First, his hand is making the symbol that a priest or, more notably, the Pope makes when he offers an official blessing. Look up a video of the Pope and you'll see it.

Second, in America, "God is my Pilot" or "...my Co-pilot" used to be popular bumper stickers on cars. I still see them from time to time.

Perhaps a bit in questionable taste if you're speaking to a devout Catholic, but otherwise very funny. :)

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Date: 2014-02-28 05:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Ah! I thought it was something British, since you specifically mentioned having British knowledge. B. who is making these icons is American too, though.

Thank you very much for explaining, those were definitely too subtle for me resp. I wouldn't know the car bumper sticker.

I was raised in the GDR, I am an Atheist ;)

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Date: 2014-02-28 06:12 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
The British comment had to do with my use of the word "brilliant", if I remember correctly, which nobody in the US would typically say. The majority of my friends all live in England, where I have visited.

As a humble and grateful Christian, because God has proved himself to me over a lifetime of experiences, you ought to ask Him if He's really out there. The response might surprise you! :)

You have the BEST discussions! I want to come to Dresden to meet you and see your homeland. (It will be on my wish list.) It's a shame we didn't know to look each other up at Avalon. I think we'd have had a blast together.

BTW, I'm still thinking of places to take Jack and the Team on their leave as they tour my home turf.

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Date: 2014-02-28 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
I hadn't known brilliant was a typical British word. We use it in Germany as well, but with different spelling - just brillant. I always have to think to not do it wrong!

I think believing has everything to do with how you grow up. What you get taught as a child. If you grow up like this, and everyone around you is the same, of course it comes very natural to you. But I just can't understand how someone can change something so important later in his life. I recently read an article about a man who fell in love with a Turkish woman living in Germany (and she with him). She stated outright that if he wanted to marry her, he needs to become a moslem. And so he did, just like that. How can you change from believing into one God to another in the split of a second? I don't get that.

And that's why I cannot see me changing something so importantly. It's too late for that. That does not mean that I still can live in a Christian way as I of course believe in treating others the way I want to be treated. This should be universal law, no matter which God.

I met a few people at Avalon, do you remember Su from Jackfic, the one who wrote all the shipping stories? Also I bumped into a girl from the MacGyver forum, by accident on the street. It led to the last wonderful evening in the pub, where I met Paya and we became friends.

If you ever make it over here, I'd love to show you around! In the meantime, yes, please show Jack and the team around! I'd really love to see those pictures.

Do you know this journal? She is more of an Atlantis fan and makes funny pictures with John and Rodney, here is the latest installment: http://sgamadison.livejournal.com/

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Date: 2014-02-28 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
I always love discussions with you, you know your stuff so well and I always learn something! This is something you can't have at Tumblr for example. Only on LJ.

I'm not quite sure what is cause and effect in recent generations not seeming to grow up. I read an article in the newspaper about this also. Previous generations already had married and several children at the age people from today still search for a good job, and go from one internship to the next. So how are they supposed to start a family, if they don't know where they will be in half a year? That must be very unsettling.

There seems also to be a new understanding that while a job is necessary and should be fulfilling, it is not the only thing in the world to live for and time spent with families and friends is just as important.

Oddly, I never wanted to be older than I actually was. I never had this "Once I turned this age I can do these things". I never was interested in going out or staying out late, so no trouble with my parents there ;)

Date: 2014-02-14 12:41 am (UTC)
cookiegirl: (Castiel - Deep thoughts)
From: [personal profile] cookiegirl
"call Doctor" is a very old-fashioned way of saying "I'll call Dr ___". It's a replacement for the name, but I can't imagine people using it these days, unless they were perhaps a nurse talking to a frightened child.

"baby" is used when the baby doesn't have a name yet, or it can be used in place of the name if you want to be cute-sy!

Normal usage in the UK of wife would be "my wife" unless the man is very old, or young but being sexist or 'ironically sexist', making a joke like "oh, I've left the wife in the kitchen". If you could reasonably substitute wife for a term like "ball and chain" in the sentence then "the wife" would be correct, otherwise you're best using "my wife".

Yay language :D

Date: 2014-02-14 07:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Yes, I wondered why she wouldn't add the name after doctor. Granted, in the series there is only one, but in real life. If you like, read some of the comments on the other page, they are very interesting! They said I should spell Baby with big B for that reason, that it is the substitute for a name.

I stumbled first about "the wife" in an action figure forum where someone said that she should rather not find out how much money he spends on his figures. Maybe it was said in jest but if not it makes me rather sad, that he can't share what apparently is important for him. Naturally, everyone there assumed I was a boy as well ;)

I love discussions like that! They often expand into other territories, you can't have that with Tumblr, only here on LJ:

Date: 2014-02-15 03:51 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sagestreet.livejournal.com
Oh, interessante Frage. Jetzt muss ich gleich mal den Thread dazu lesen. Das weiß ich nämlich auch überhaupt nicht.

Date: 2014-02-20 10:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Ich hab auf jeden Fall viel gelernt! Noch mal vielen Dank, dass Du mich mit der Gruppe bekannt gemacht hast.

Date: 2014-03-01 12:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] colej55.livejournal.com
You are so right about religion being a matter of how you were raised and I, too, don't get changing religion on the spur of the moment for the sake of a marriage. Religion should be about very deep beliefs cultivated over time. However, one is never too old for a relationship with God and it is the most important decision anyone can ever make. And, again you are right. Every person deserves to be treated with dignity and respect no matter their beliefs. That's what is so wrong with our world! The Golden Rule applies to everyone - Do toward others what you would want done toward you. Period. Knowing God should mean treating everyone with his love.

I never got to meet Su, but I specifically stayed in England for several weeks to meet some of my friends who I made music videos with. It was great fun to put faces with voices and IMs. There were so many people I wanted to meet and, oddly, I spent a whole day with Paya because of the group I got into by accident. I made wonderful friends from Ireland that day that I have stayed in touch with.

I had never seen SGAMadison's journal before. Her action figure photos are really good. I love the one shot from behind Shep in which he's looking out into a focused, angry looking cloud. That is so creative!

I'm really going to do this. I'm going to get the camera and the guys out and start experimenting. I am!

As for your English, it is very, very good and has gotten even better over time. I have seen a big difference in it in your stories as you have progressed. German and English are inflected languages and are hard to learn, but there are similarities (like brillant/brilliant) since many of the root words are the same.

BTW, I'm working my way through John's videos. It took forever for me to figure out how to play them, but it's going well now. I wish RDA would do something like that every now and then, but he's so private. I'm fine with his wanting privacy, but I miss seeing him and I can't afford the conventions.

Again, great discussion!

Date: 2014-03-16 03:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dieastra.livejournal.com
Over my time, I have found so many people who enjoy taking pictures with their figures, and everyone has their own style which you really can recognize. Here is one from Tumblr with Spiderman pictures, which are really different and unique and funny. I love to know I am not the only crazy one in the world ;)

The reason you see an increasement in my English in my stories is that at first I wrote them in German and then translated them to English. I did have an American beta but still, if you try to translate a sentence as it is, it always will sound weird, no matter how hard she tried, and of course she didn't want to rewrite the whole thing, as it then would have not been my own story anymore. We discussed a few things, some I agreed on, others I refused to accept.

Later, I wrote my stories in English first (and sometimes translate them to German if necessary). That way the language flows so much better, you can hear their real voices etc.

I'm happy you love all the John videos! It's true, he shares so much, sometimes it is scary the things we know about him, but even he sometimes says to a question "that's private" and it gets accepted so he does not share everything. But also at the studio visits where we watched him recording the new CD, that was such an intimate experience, as you really saw all the emotions.

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